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--Andyrom75 (discussioni) 19:00, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
Stubs[modifica]
Hi Hobbit, thank you so much for creating some German pages. Unfortunately we have decided to keep (i.e. not delete) only the pages that are at least at stub level, that means:
- Quickbar filled
- Quickfooter filled
- At least one section with some information
With the first two points you shouldn't have any problem. Regarding the third one, you should have at least some basic Italian knowledge. What about your Italian?
Please let me know if you can support the growth of those articles. Thanks, --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 19:05, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Unfortunately my Italian is limited to what I can guess from my knowledge of Spanish and Latin i.e. none. However, I do think those pages are valid articles and should be kept for people to add stuff in, rather than deleted and thus duplicating work. We are after all not talking about small hamlets nobody ever vistis... As evidenced by the fact that these pages exist in other languages versions. Nonetheless if consensus is to delte, so be it. I will see what I can do about the Quickbar and Quickfooter. Hobbitschuster (discussioni) 19:25, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Our spirit and policy (differently form some language version) is to have only useful information instead of empty articles because although having more articles will increse the chance to be reached from a visitor, the result is to disappoint him when he see the empty page.
- If you think that you'll quickly fill the above template (and the "MappaDinamica" with the relevant coords), I'll leave them waiting for your contribution, otherwise I'll move them under your userpage in order to be restored one by one as soon as they'll be ready. Let me know, --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 19:34, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Have a look at Rostock and see whether that is appropriate or what is still missing to meet the basic criteria. Hobbitschuster (discussioni) 19:39, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
- See the last change. I've made it to complete the first two points. This must be done in all the others articles. Then, to meet the basic criteria, some information must be added in at least one section. For Rostock you could import (using the local listing templates) the information present in buy, eat and drink sections. It should be quite easy and quick to do. You can translate the content with Google, than in case I'll fix it, afterwards. --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 20:25, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Excellent! Now Rostock meets the minimum criteria for not being deleted. Regarding Wismar you can pick up some Quickbarcity information from wikipedia. See the ones missing there in comparison with Rostock. --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 21:37, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Take a look to this change to see in detail all the parameters that should be added to QuickbarCity. --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 23:41, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Excellent! Now Rostock meets the minimum criteria for not being deleted. Regarding Wismar you can pick up some Quickbarcity information from wikipedia. See the ones missing there in comparison with Rostock. --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 21:37, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
- See the last change. I've made it to complete the first two points. This must be done in all the others articles. Then, to meet the basic criteria, some information must be added in at least one section. For Rostock you could import (using the local listing templates) the information present in buy, eat and drink sections. It should be quite easy and quick to do. You can translate the content with Google, than in case I'll fix it, afterwards. --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 20:25, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Have a look at Rostock and see whether that is appropriate or what is still missing to meet the basic criteria. Hobbitschuster (discussioni) 19:39, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
Which is the year associated to the population number that you added? Furthermore is relevant to a census or a statistic? Let me know and I'll update the article. --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 22:40, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
- 31. Dec. 2013. Based on numbers from the Census of 2011 and the official registration numbers. And thanks. Hobbitschuster (discussioni) 22:51, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
- I'm not sure to have understood it. Is an estimation of 2013 based on the census of 2011? Once clarified I need the same information for Wiesbaden as well. --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 22:59, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
- A Census is only done very rarely in Germany (the last one before 2011 was in 1987), therefore we have so called "Fortschreibung" which means the official "who lives where" data is added up and subtracted from the census data, giving a pretty accurate estimate in most cases. For both Wiesbaden and Wismar Wikipedia (the German version at least) cites the numbers as per 31. 12. 2013 accroding to the aforementioned "amtliche Fortschreibung". I hope that helps. Hobbitschuster (discussioni) 23:06, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Definitely clear. According to your explanation I've added this text. Please add it each time; in Wiesbaden as well (with the other missing parameters). --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 23:13, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
- A Census is only done very rarely in Germany (the last one before 2011 was in 1987), therefore we have so called "Fortschreibung" which means the official "who lives where" data is added up and subtracted from the census data, giving a pretty accurate estimate in most cases. For both Wiesbaden and Wismar Wikipedia (the German version at least) cites the numbers as per 31. 12. 2013 accroding to the aforementioned "amtliche Fortschreibung". I hope that helps. Hobbitschuster (discussioni) 23:06, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
- I'm not sure to have understood it. Is an estimation of 2013 based on the census of 2011? Once clarified I need the same information for Wiesbaden as well. --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 22:59, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
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Rostock and Wismar has the (same) template completely filled. Take a look at the one of the other articles like Fulda, Wiesbaden, etc. Only "Regione nazionale2" and perhaps "Regione nazionale" may change. --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 23:20, 1 lug 2015 (CEST)
New articles status[modifica]
| Article | Quickbar | Quickfooter | Content |
|---|---|---|---|
| Rostock | ok | ok | ok |
| Wismar | ok | ok | ok |
| Schwerin | ok | ok | ok |
| Wiesbaden | missing image and description | ok | ok |
| Fulda | missing image and description | ok | ok |
| Kassel | To be completed & corrected | ok | ok |
| Franconia | missing image and description | ok | ok |
| Bayreuth | missing image, description and TLD | ok | ok |
| Stralsund | missing image, description and TLD - Region to be corrected | ok | ok |
| Erfurt | missing TLD - Region to be corrected | ok | ok |
To complete, clean & correct the above template, compare them with the Rostock & Wismar ones. Please ask for any doubt you may have. --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 09:10, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)
- thanks. One question: mentioning summer-time seperately is not needed? Hobbitschuster (discussioni) 12:14, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)
- I suppose that you are talking of "UTC+1". In the affirmative case, we don't specify summer-time (just like mobile phones, PCs, etc.). --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 13:08, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Yes. That was what I was talking about. Okay... So what is still missing? Hobbitschuster (discussioni) 13:26, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Give me a second to check Quickbar as well. Right now all the Quickfooter are fine (in some of them I've made minor corrections). --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 13:28, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)
- At a first glance in most of them is missing the image (with its description) and the banner (although is visible through Wikidata .... with its description). Banner must write inside the template to be sure that the description will be coherent with the image, because it may change on wikidata. I've seen also some mistakes on the German/Italian name of the lands. I'll make a deeper check after lunch :-P --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 13:33, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Franconia is difficult to cover well, if we follow the boundaries of the image on the page. en-WV defines it as the parts of Franconia currently administered as part of Bavaria in the "Regierungsbezirke" Mittelfranken Oberfranken and Unterfranken. Hobbitschuster (discussioni) 14:51, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Which is the specific difficulty in Franconia? To state the exact "Regione" inside Quickbar? Other? --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 14:55, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Well there is a official population figure for the Regierungsbezirke of Bayern that make up en-WV's "Franconia" (the toal amounts to roughly 4,2 Million) but there is none for the region with the boundaries in the box. The point is: as a cultural region Franconia is not really well defined (Sonneberg for one is part of Thüringen administratively but says of itself that it is franconian culturally). Furthermore it might be bad for the regional structure if some places (such as Sonneberg or Heilbronn) end up being part of Franconia which is defined as part of Baviera but are at the same time part of Thürengen or Baden Württemberg. You see, what I am getting at? Hobbitschuster (discussioni) 15:02, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)
- I think I've gotten what you say. When here on Wikivoyage we have a "turistic" region that do not match any exact combination of administrative regions, there are very few information that can be "easily" added. As an example, take a look at the wikicode of Tanzania centrale. --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 15:12, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Well there is a official population figure for the Regierungsbezirke of Bayern that make up en-WV's "Franconia" (the toal amounts to roughly 4,2 Million) but there is none for the region with the boundaries in the box. The point is: as a cultural region Franconia is not really well defined (Sonneberg for one is part of Thüringen administratively but says of itself that it is franconian culturally). Furthermore it might be bad for the regional structure if some places (such as Sonneberg or Heilbronn) end up being part of Franconia which is defined as part of Baviera but are at the same time part of Thürengen or Baden Württemberg. You see, what I am getting at? Hobbitschuster (discussioni) 15:02, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Which is the specific difficulty in Franconia? To state the exact "Regione" inside Quickbar? Other? --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 14:55, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Franconia is difficult to cover well, if we follow the boundaries of the image on the page. en-WV defines it as the parts of Franconia currently administered as part of Bavaria in the "Regierungsbezirke" Mittelfranken Oberfranken and Unterfranken. Hobbitschuster (discussioni) 14:51, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)
- At a first glance in most of them is missing the image (with its description) and the banner (although is visible through Wikidata .... with its description). Banner must write inside the template to be sure that the description will be coherent with the image, because it may change on wikidata. I've seen also some mistakes on the German/Italian name of the lands. I'll make a deeper check after lunch :-P --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 13:33, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Give me a second to check Quickbar as well. Right now all the Quickfooter are fine (in some of them I've made minor corrections). --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 13:28, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)
- Yes. That was what I was talking about. Okay... So what is still missing? Hobbitschuster (discussioni) 13:26, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)
- I suppose that you are talking of "UTC+1". In the affirmative case, we don't specify summer-time (just like mobile phones, PCs, etc.). --Andyrom75 (discussioni) 13:08, 2 lug 2015 (CEST)